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by: Scott Wheeler

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:43:03 +0000

Hi Sophie, that’s great to hear, I was once intrigued by the Primal Diet, now I’m totally consumed.
How did you eat your eggs when you experienced discomfort? I find that poking a small hole in either end and sucking them from the shell is both the best for digestion and the most satisfying. If you whip or beat them (without the addition of milk, cream or coconut cream) many of the enzymes are lost via oxidization. This could create digestive difficulties.
You most likely prefer raw red meat because it is the one that develops blood and muscle tissue best. The body knows what the body needs. Definately give chicken a go though. Maybe sashimi style with some lime juice and coconut cream!
Your love of veges sounds like a craving for fat, ie butter. As Sally says, vegetables are really just a vehicle for butter. Ha ha. What about just fresh raw herbs and butter. Melt your butter by placing it in a glass jar and immersing it in mildly hot water ( no hotter than your finger can stand ) for 5 minutes. Create a sauce to pour over your raw meat meal. Just a suggestion…

by: Sophie

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:16:57 +0000

Hello all,

Ive been trying lots of raw meat lately as I am intrigued by the Primal Diet. I always eat my egg yolks raw, but tend to cook the whites because I had a terrible experience trying to digest them once, and I find cooked egg whites much more filling! In terms of meat I am very happy to eat raw mince (i find it requires less jaw action then tougher cuts), raw liver grated up and mixed in with my vegies, raw fish is ok but not as satisfying as raw meat. Thats what works for me anyway. I do mix up raw meat with slow cooked meats, particularly the meat left over from making all my bone broths, however I try to eat most raw. I am yet to try raw chicken and think i might now after Justins experience :). I have to say though, that although i enjoy some celery juice each day, I do absolutely love lots of fresh steamed vegies with butter and herbs, and I would find that very hard to give up.

Also Scott I am interested in knowing where you are based in terms of maybe organising an exercise consultation? I am in Sydney…..

Thanks!

by: Andrea

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:02:18 +0000

In case it hasn’t been mentioned here yet, http://www.uncleharrys.com has a great selection of tooth powders and even one for children. I have been using the tooth powder. I had receding gums and very sensitive teeth. My gums seem to be healing and the sensitivity is greatly diminished. I think Uncle Harry’s tooth powder is very high quality and effective.

by: Susan G

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:26:33 +0000

Kate the website is realmilk.co.nz, If you check out realmilk.com it also give lots of information needed for these projects.

by: kate

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:11:35 +0000

Thanks Joanna and Susan. So it sounds like humans can get TB from animals, but that that risk can be significantly minimised.

Overcrowded housing goes hand in hand with poverty and poor nutrition and stress. Makes sense that people would be more susceptible when exposed to TB under those conditions.

Susan, what’s your website?

by: Scott Wheeler

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:56:18 +0000

Hi Justin, sounds like your finding your way. Eggs are ususally the easiest raw protein food to digest (doing so in as little as 20 minutes). Could the gas have been a product of combining the eggs with say, friut or vegetables? I’m glad you have had an enlightening experience with raw chicken. Most people never allow themselves the chance. I find it doubtful that meat could act as a stimulant, unless you’re suggesting that the meat contained a chemical stimulant of some sort. It is quite normal to have apprehensions about eating raw meat, as you say, you have been told not to do so most of your life. If you are philisophically minded, check your premises.There are many contradictions in the parsasite/microbe fallacy.
Parasites exist. They consume dead and decaying tissue from their hosts. When they are done, they leave (or are unable to survive). Therefore they are healthful rather than harmful. This is not a mystical assertion, it is a factual one. No part of what I say or do is blind acceptance induced by feeling in the absence of evidence or proof. Keeping an active mind is essential. If you arive at contradictions, check your premises, you will find an error in your thinking.
The argument that Aajonus’ detoxification phases are ‘infections’ is a common one. Either way, they perform more good than harm. His health proves that.
Raw meat is the only catalyst for proper cellular regeneration. Raw vegan diets may posess similar cleansing and detoxification properties, but do not offer full cellular regeneration. A look at any raw vegan will illustrate their inability to maintan muscle mass. Considering meat is the right option for you if you can overcome your apprehension.
I gained back 10 kilos of muscle. I know weigh a muscular 80kg at 10% bodyfat (by ELG analysis).

by: Justin Otherjon

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:47:07 +0000

I have been eating a high raw diet for about a year. I never was Vegan on this diet, always adding a some raw eggs. I found that that this wasn’t really adequate. Eggs for me weren’t very digestible. More than a few would give me gas of the worse sort! Raw milk wasn’t available and I’m not sure I could tolerate it, as I am allergic to whey proteins. Recently, I tried some raw chicken for the first time. I marinated a chopped up Cornish Hen in lime juice and ate it. The experience was illuminating, leading me to consider that I was possibly deficient in something on the diet I was following. Or was the meat acting merely as a stimulant? The persistent sense of well being afterward didn’t seem like the effects of a stimulant. I am not sure that I will add much raw meat to my diet, but I am having to rethink a lot of philosophical things as the idea that vegetarianism isn’t viable goes against imposed lifelong assumptions.

I still don’t think that the parasite issue is not a serious one. When one looks at specifics, on realizes that there are a lot of different strange and harmful parasitic organisms. One should be careful about basing life on generalities of blind faith.
Lack of infection could be just a matter of luck rather than immunity. Recently, the CDC tested a large number of Supermarket meats for Toxoplasmosis and found it only in pork(4 in 2000 samples, I believe) You could potentially eat raw pork every day for a year and a half without being exposed. If you weren’t healthy enough, then what? There are a lot more nasty infective agents than this. Parasite load is supposed to be a significant contributor to the decline and death of predators. Von der Planitz claims to have “cleansing crises” even after many years of raw eating. Suppose instead, its just infections from raw meat?
One of the reasons I am considering meat is the weight loss I’ve experienced. I don’t mind going from 22% to 15% body fat, but would rather not have lost lean body mass.

I am interested in whether you have gained back the weight you lost.

by: The Nourisher

Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:33:05 +0000

Great idea Luke. What about asking them if they’d consider being capitalized and earning more by selling their cattle and managing a herdshare? Would they consider converting to organic/biodynamic (especially if the process can be capitalized by their herdshare co-operative)?

by: Scott Wheeler

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:21:31 +0000

Hi Cathy. Wow, you turn orange the next day? Do you know why? Is it carotenemia (harmless) or something else that you are aware of, maybe kidney related? I would be interested to know. Does this also happen when you eat the vegetables whole?
Yes, cooking food is evolutionary but has proven to cause mineral and enzyme mutilation. Juicing does not do this (closed case crush press). Regarding vegetebles, the argument is that lightly steaming breaks down cellulose for easier utilization. Juicing does a much better job by pre-masticating and removing the plant cellulose for much better utilization, whilst leaving enzymes intact.
Only since eating 100% raw foods have I been able to cope well with extreme cold. Raw lamb shank is delicious. Raw food doesn’t necessarily mean cold food. Most of my food is eaten at room temperature. My chidren and myself have discovered enjoyment in foods as a result of their health giving proprties, not just taste or flavour. All of the cravings you mention can be subtituted with raw foods.
Lactofermentation of whole or partly whole foods gives the elusion of quantity because of the fibrous content. Raw Juice has a much higher concentration of vitamins, minerals and enzymes.
This is true of all raw foods as opposed to their cooked counterparts, and is also the reason why usually less raw food is required to create satiety. However this is relative to individualism. Some people will consume much more raw food and ‘expell’ very little waste initially, indicating the status of health.
Except for birds (chickens etc.) no animals need grain. Cattle fed hay or silage during winter (or drought) are better. 100% grass fed is best. However, when this is not available, I have happily eaten non-organic ’supermarket’ beef, lamb and chicken with no problems. I only eat the muscle meat though. As most toxins store in organ and glandular tissue (and bone) I avoid these if they are not organic/biodynamic.

by: Julie

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:56:23 +0000

Hi Dogray, sorry if you thought I meant go under the knife at first suggestion, that I believe is a last resort (as it was with me, 8 years after they told me to have the op). I shuffled foods around and found what was causing attacks and avoided them, that worked pretty good for a long time also found what one person could not eat another could eat it without the problems. But once the problem became to much and I collapsed I was not impressed having to go under the knife (back then key hole was not an option). Going on friends and family that have had the keyhole op to remove the stones, I am glad I have the huge scar as I have had less problems later, although it did take a couple of years to find what foods were best for me after the op and they were sugary things as in sweets, chocolate and sugar in tea or coffee. I now only have a sugar burst if my blood sugar levels drop, red meat is another I can not tollerate very well (no loss as I did not eat it much before) .
I am not vegetarian, just don’t like meat, and feel every one should eat what is right for them and in moderation, I do still prefer my food as we had it as kids back in Tas, fresh picked from the garden or orchards and the meat we did have was from our own farm.
100% agree ..experiment first before taking to the knife or believing a quack first up …I did for 8 years, and am again experimenting with alternative remidies for other wealth issues …the knife is last resort.

by: Luke Foster

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:35:44 +0000

I am doing a survey of people who consume raw milk products. Mostley in my area it will be dairy farmers who drink thier own heards milk. My asumpsion is that all farmers drink their own farm milk and dont get sick so what is the problam. Is all milk tested raw by humans on farm daily before it is sent off to the larger dairies?
some questions I will ask are :- Do you drink raw milk from your Farm?

Does your Family/friends/relatives drink raw milk from your farm?

How long have you been drinking raw milk from your farm?

Have you/family/friends/relatives become sick from drinking raw milk from your farm?

Do you drink pasturised milk?

how many animals in your heard?

I am open to suggestions re other questions that might be relivant to thi survey/

by: Susan G

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:54:53 +0000

I believe that most of the TB in humans in New Zealand is from human contact with humans who are infected maybe overseas visitors. Not everyone in contact gets the disease which shows that there must be factors protecting some people. I have been in close contact twice in my life and have not succumbed.
Anecdotally as farmers farming in a TB endemic area and us and our children drinking our own raw milk even our herd never got TB. I did tackle vets about TB and they assured me that it was highly unlikely for us humans to get TB, however vets are apparently vaccinated to prevent them getting it as vets are known to contract TB more often. That could be from other animals like deer I guess or from the fact that the bacterium in the faeces is around and active for some while until destroyed by sunlight. There is also avian TB and of course infected possums.
There is more risk of other pathogens in raw milk and people need to know the risk for themselves and make an informed decision. We provided information on these hazards on our website.
We have lots of letters from our shareholders re health improvements if these would be useful, it is NZ but we will be affected by Australian decisions. It is still legal to buy raw milk from farm dairy in NZ.

by: Cathy Mifsud

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:40:14 +0000

Jean
what do you mean ” never make kraut in the sign of the bowels”?
So the best Kraut you say is made during the waxing moon?

by: Dogray

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:36:34 +0000

Hi Julie,

Saturated fats can come in the form of sweets as well, chocolate, sugary things that turn to fat if not used up quickly like an athlete.

Anyone reading Julie’s post, my advice would be to at least experiment with your diet before going under the quack’s knife.

Let me give you an example of how these imbeciles running around with their trusty scalpels think.

A committed vegetarian friend of mine went to a doctor and he did some tests and found she was lacking in Iron, so he told her straight away to start eating meat. This is the level of these charlatans imagination, and they have conned us into believing everything they say is gospel. How? by having a huge association of members paying their dues, most of whiuch is used to scare the hell out of us into visiting them every time we sneeze. They bleed us dry through the high cost of medical bills and insurance that comes from these high costs. They are usually quite smug and set in their ways (orthodox ways that is) and have no ability of thinking outside the squares.

OK, so here is what he could have done, he could have helped my friend find a balanced diet that was still veg but one that would increase her iron intake.

Could he bothered, of course not, but I bet if she went to a naturopath, they would have had a lengthy chat about her diet and advised her on how to experiment and try to find more iron without having to go against her beliefs about cruelty and torture of animals, but like me and you, she too was brainwashed by constant media hype propagated by a sea of lobbyists hired by the AMA to convince us that these quacks are demi-gods and that we are lucky to have them.

My grandmother’s remedies were much more accurate than the hit-rate I’ve had with quacks over the years.

Things like, rub salt into mouth sores and also into mosquito bites, simple.

Go veg and go alternative.

For gall-bladder problems, experiment with spicy, sugary and saturated fat food groups, or any other foods that are hard to break down, like white carbs, try to stick to wholegrain everything. It’s your life, so take some responsibility for it. If I hear one more person say, “Oh, but I love the taste of cream and cheese, and chocolates, and white bread and fatty sausages, Big Mucks and dead rotting animal corpses” I think I will scream. Take your life back, and look outside of orthodoxy, we now have the internet, use it. Get back to real foods.

by: Sarah Luck

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:52:04 +0000

Ingrid I’ve had the same thing happen a few times and I think that mine ended up like that because the incubation temperature for the yoghurt was too hot. I was so excited the first time it happened though- I thought I’d discovered how to make mozarella cheese!
Maybe try again with a smaller amount and use hot water from the tap rather than boiling water for about 12 hours. Or use boiling water but don’t change it - you shouldn’t need to if the easiyo is insulated. All I use is a hot water bottle inside my oven to keep the temperature warm and stable (oven is insulated). I sit my yoghurt on the shelf above the hot water bottle and this works for me everytime.
If you strain the curds (the lumpy bits) from the whey (greenish liquid - looks like a proper witches brew) you’ll end up with a thick ‘yoghurt cheese’. Or you can just throw it in the blender with your fruit as you would yoghurt.

by: Cathy Mifsud

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:15:34 +0000

Hello again Scott
I love juicing but wont do it because I go orange the next day ( anything colorful ) even from a small glass unless its many days between juices.
Isn’t a little cooking just the same evolution as juicers?
I find cooked foods in winter are especially delicious and warming, like cake and raw cream. Pumpkin soup made with bone broth. Other times I crave lamb shank casserole mainly in winter time. How does raw lamb shank taste?
Another thing I prefer about lacto fermentation to juicing is that a little is made to go a very long way where as juicing is the opposite.
So in winter time do you and your children really enjoy raw chicken?
Raw foods don’t satistfy me for very long, mind you I’m no expert but when I eat raw tuna for example an hour later I need to eat again. Do you have to eat lots when on a raw diet that includes meat?
Also is it possible that meat from animals needing grain during droubt could become contaminated with parasites and could this infect people who may be run down or ill at the time of consuming it?
I’m from a very dry area and even though I eat organic / biodynamic meats and eggs the animals are fed grain for many months a year, so unsure how safe this meat is raw.

by: Scott Wheeler

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:30:46 +0000

Hi Sarah,first of all feel free to offer any critisisms. They are an important part of healthy debate. On your first point regarding juicing. Tradition shouldn’t be an excuse to disclude any recent improvements in our diet. No element of any traditional diet ‘always’ existed, each had to be percieved, conceived, conceptualized and invented and then further improved upon during it’s (and our)evolution. Proceeding generations constantly improved upon ‘Traditional’ techniques such as in the evolution of dairy for example. Post industrialization, many of these so called improvements have proven to be faulty (such as pasteurisation) however juicing does not fall into this category for the most part. Juicer types are important. Lactofermentation of veges is reasonable when juicing is not available. Juicing is one of our generation’s gifts which will become ‘Traditional’ over time.
On you second point, if we are to assume that the feacal matter contained pathogens that would have been harmful once returning to the soil, then we must also assume that they already existed within the person who expelled the waste. If no harm was done in the first place, there is no reason to assume harm in the second. Bacteria are ‘used’ reather than destroyed during composting. They stay only so long as there is adequate decomposing materials for them to consume. The way the Chinese did it was the more ecological and natural way to return waste to the earth, just as all animals do. I dont believe this is the reason that the Chinese tend to cook all of their food, I think it’s just social conditioning, the same as the rest of the world.

by: Gail

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:27:25 +0000

Thank you for all your comments, it’s seems fats and sugars are a problem without a gall bladder. Like you Julie, I had the operation the old way and also have a 7 inch scar. I’ve started to cut back on all saturated fats and I’ve also cut down on my fruit intake. I’m a big fruit eater and read in the local Sunday paper that certain fruits have to much fructose and can be very difficult to digest. Out goes the apples. I eat lots of green vegetables and also found out that green beans and asparugas have heaps of fructose. So far so good.

by: Jessy

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:58:04 +0000

I forgot some sauerkraut jar at the back of my fridge and when I found it, there was mold cover on top. The date on the jar said it was at least 2 month old. Being curious, I decided to scrape off the mold to see if the sauerkraut underneath was salvageable. The mold turned out to be firm and came off all in one round piece, which I discarded. To my surprise, the sauerkraut underneath had the most DELICIOUS flavor. I have not gotten sick from eating it. Has anyone else had the same experience?

Since then, I have tried to let my jar develop that mold on top, but so far no result. I wish I had saved that mold and I would have re-used it over and over.

by: Anna May

Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:41:01 +0000

Ingrid, my email address is miso5000@hotmail.com and that would be very nice indeed if you would send me that muffin recipe so I could see what might have gone wrong! - Anna.