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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 06:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanne, Thank you so much for the info.......

KISS................Keep it simple sweetheart is the way I will follow it then..

Blessings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanne, Thank you so much for the info&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>KISS&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Keep it simple sweetheart is the way I will follow it then..</p>
<p>Blessings</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Hay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 22:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy, I believe it doesn't matter. Do what feels best for you and let us know which works better. Incidentally, apparently The Course in Miracles suggests we forgive ourselves for dreaming this dream. Just taking it another step. This works for me. It helps me to step through the frustration, judgement, non-acceptance of what is and dream a new dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy, I believe it doesn&#8217;t matter. Do what feels best for you and let us know which works better. Incidentally, apparently The Course in Miracles suggests we forgive ourselves for dreaming this dream. Just taking it another step. This works for me. It helps me to step through the frustration, judgement, non-acceptance of what is and dream a new dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 09:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please can you help me to understand this Hoâ€™oponopono in as much as what we say??
Some websites tell us to say "I love you, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I thank you."
Others, as here, say that it is "I'm sorry, I love you."  or doesn't it really matter too much either way?
Blessings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please can you help me to understand this Hoâ€™oponopono in as much as what we say??<br />
Some websites tell us to say &#8220;I love you, I&#8217;m sorry, please forgive me, I thank you.&#8221;<br />
Others, as here, say that it is &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, I love you.&#8221;  or doesn&#8217;t it really matter too much either way?<br />
Blessings</p>
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		<title>By: Law of Attraction Blog Carnival for March 28th, 2007 : Today is that Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law of Attraction Blog Carnival for March 28th, 2007 : Today is that Day</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Ho&#39;oponopono is one of the most potentially powerful systems of healing and success that you could learn about, yet actually learning how to do it is easier said than done right now. Check out a great primer on Ho&#39;oponopono over at Nourished Magazine with the post Ho&#8217;oponopono: Lessons from Hawaiian Shamanism [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after reading Rossana's lovely words thought I would pass on this interesting reply by Neale Donald Walsch to Richard Dawkins concerning his theory about the existence of God. 'Conversations with God' was given to me by my lovely daughter, Joanne, but I still haven't managed to get past Ch 2. However, Neale has struck a chord with me with this reply.
Is God a delusion? 
 
Send this article to a friend. 
 
Neale Donald Walsch 
This article appeared in Ode issue: 41 
 
 
 
Neale Donald Walsch, author of Conversations with God, responds to biologist Richard Dawkinsâ€™ assertion that God does not exist in any form



English scientist Richard Dawkins ignited a fierce debate with his book The God Delusion (Houghton Mifflin, 2006)â€”which is, as its title baldly announces, a refutation in exacting detail of the existence of God. The controversy shows no sign of dampening; Dawkins views continue to inflame strong opinions on all sides about our relationship to science, society and religion. This comes as no surprise to those who have followed the distinguished career of Richard Dawkinsâ€”an evolutionary biologist long known as â€œDarwinâ€™s rottweilerâ€ for his rousing defence of natural selection. His 1976 bestseller The Selfish Gene advanced the provocative and now influential idea that instead of using genes to reproduce themselves, organismsâ€” including humansâ€”are actually being used to satisfy their genesâ€™ need to reproduce.  
 Now Dawkins is back, this time asking readers to imagine that there is no such thing as the God we think we know. â€œIf God created the universe,â€ he asks, â€œwho created God?â€
 He targets our collective belief in the existence of God as our cultureâ€™s most dangerous attribute. â€œAs a scientist,â€ Dawkins writes, â€œI am hostile to fundamentalist religion because it actively debauches the scientific enterprise. It teaches us not to change our minds, and not to want to know exciting things that are available to be known. It subverts science and saps the intellect.â€ 
 Religion, he adds, isnâ€™t a reasonable explanation for anything. The embattled biologist dreams of a time when atheism is widespread and God has no role to play in our thoughts or our politics. 
 We invited Neale Donald Walsch, author of the bestselling Conversations with God, to respond to Dawkins. While Walsch is no more popular among fundamentalist believers than Dawkins, he draws different conclusions about the meaning of existence in a series of books that have sold millions of copies and been translated into more than 30 languages.
--The editors 



God does not exist. So argues Professor Richard Dawkins in his latest book, The God Delusion. And he claims to have scientific evidence to prove it.
Should any of us care? Yes, because Dawkins is no ordinary person. He is an esteemed scientist from Englandâ€™s Oxford University who has the ear of millions. I believe his argument that there is no God is a sad point of view which brings no benefit whatsoever to the human race. And that is why we should care. If the whole of humanity should ever adopt this point of view, I believe we will have lost our greatest asset, our greatest tool, our greatest advantage as we step more deeply into the 21st century.
However, Dawkins is not entirely wrong. The God of which he speaksâ€”of which most organized religions speak, the God I call Yesterdayâ€™s Godâ€”does not exist. In The God Delusion, Dawkins argues that science and not religion, evolution and not intelligent design, hold the answer to the greatest mystery of the universe: life itself, how it came to be and how it functions, in all its physical forms. And I believe he is right. 
It does, however, not explain life in all its non-physical forms. It does not explain miracles, or any other metaphysical experience, of which there is ample evidence in our world. In short, Dawkins has brilliantly told us what God is not, but has told us nothing of what God is. He assumes that since there is ample evidence of what God is not, then God itself does not exist. I donâ€™t think the first position proves the second. Dawkins apparently does. And therein lies his disservice. I would have wished that a mind as brilliant as Dawkinsâ€™ would have gone about analyzing the extraordinary anecdotal evidence, available from any one of several hundred million people on the planet, of the existence of Godâ€¦ or of something, whatever name you want to give it, that even science cannot explain, but that shows up in the day-to-day experience of human beings as very real, very present, very reliable, and very useful.



I myself have had plenty of evidence of the existence of what I call â€œGod.â€ I have seen from my own life that â€œGodâ€ is a power, an energy that can be used with consistent and predictable results. I agree with Dawkins that God is not a celestial superpower, vindictive except with those who love Himâ€”in the way He wants and needs them to love Him. He is not a God that exists to judge our every thought, word, and deed, granting or failing to grant our requests and punishing or rewarding us at the end of our lives based on wholly unknown criteria. Dawkins has pulled all the stops to debunk that particular notion, to which I say bravo.
But I couldnâ€™t disagree more with what Dawkins writes in his first chapter: â€œIf the word â€˜Godâ€™ is not to become completely useless, it should be used in the way people have generally understood it: to denote a supernatural creator that is â€˜appropriate for us to worship.â€™â€  The opposite, I think, is true. Continuing to use the word â€œGodâ€ in the way people have generally understood it (as someone to worship) renders the word completely useless. 
I believe in God because I have had a conversation with God, an inner dialogue with an essence and a source that has brought forth information I would never, could never, have dreamt of on my own. That conversation has made it clear to me that God is a processâ€”the process of life itselfâ€”and therefore that the words God and life are interchangeable. 
I feel the implications of this are staggering, earth shaking, paradigm-shattering. This is because everyone knows what is true about life. Everyone may not know what is true about God, but everyone knows what is true about life. What is true about life is that nothing stands outside of life. Nothing exists without life. We are the expression of life itself. So is everything around us. Even so-called inanimate objects are found, when examined under a microscope, to consist of particles constantly in motion. These particles and their movements are all part of life. Indeed, everything in the observable universe is life, in some form. The existence of life is confirmed by life itself. Life is self-referencing, self-confirming, self-sustaining, and self-evident. Life is the evidence of the existence of life. 
Everyone alive knows these things. But look what happens when the word â€˜Godâ€™ is inserted where the word â€˜lifeâ€™ appears. That produces this result: 
Nothing stands outside of God. Nothing exists without God. You are the expression of God itself. So is everything around you. Even so-called inanimate objects are found, when examined under a microscope, to consist of particles constantly in motion. These particles and their movements are all part of God. Indeed, everything in the observable universe is God, in some form. The existence of God is confirmed by God itself. God is self-referencing, self-confirming, self-sustaining, and self-evident. God is the evidence of the existence of God.



These simple thoughts cause all the dogma and stricturese about God to fall apart. Everything crumbles. Not just a few of our beliefs about God, but the very basis upon which we have built so much of human society. It all comes tumbling down. The wonderful thing about this, the exciting thing, is that we get to recreate ourselves anew, and rebuild our human societyâ€”and a huge part of that process is our renewed exploration of the whole idea of God.
Taking such a journey would benefit mankind enormously, for in doing so, we acknowledge something in the universe greater than we are. Once that acknowledgement is made, we can use God to create our most desired reality. Until we acknowledge that life is God, we cannot use this power, not turn to God as an ever present help in times of need. That is to deny our greatest resource.
So, dear Professor Dawkins, if you are saying that Yesterdayâ€™s God is a delusion, you are right. If you are saying that God in any form, known or unknown, taught or untaught, understood or not understood, does not exist, you are wrong. 

Neale Donald Walsch is author of many books on spirituality. His series 'Conversations With God' are the most popular. More information: www.nealedonaldwalsch.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after reading Rossana&#8217;s lovely words thought I would pass on this interesting reply by Neale Donald Walsch to Richard Dawkins concerning his theory about the existence of God. &#8216;Conversations with God&#8217; was given to me by my lovely daughter, Joanne, but I still haven&#8217;t managed to get past Ch 2. However, Neale has struck a chord with me with this reply.<br />
Is God a delusion? </p>
<p>Send this article to a friend. </p>
<p>Neale Donald Walsch<br />
This article appeared in Ode issue: 41 </p>
<p>Neale Donald Walsch, author of Conversations with God, responds to biologist Richard Dawkinsâ€™ assertion that God does not exist in any form</p>
<p>English scientist Richard Dawkins ignited a fierce debate with his book The God Delusion (Houghton Mifflin, 2006)â€”which is, as its title baldly announces, a refutation in exacting detail of the existence of God. The controversy shows no sign of dampening; Dawkins views continue to inflame strong opinions on all sides about our relationship to science, society and religion. This comes as no surprise to those who have followed the distinguished career of Richard Dawkinsâ€”an evolutionary biologist long known as â€œDarwinâ€™s rottweilerâ€ for his rousing defence of natural selection. His 1976 bestseller The Selfish Gene advanced the provocative and now influential idea that instead of using genes to reproduce themselves, organismsâ€” including humansâ€”are actually being used to satisfy their genesâ€™ need to reproduce.<br />
 Now Dawkins is back, this time asking readers to imagine that there is no such thing as the God we think we know. â€œIf God created the universe,â€ he asks, â€œwho created God?â€<br />
 He targets our collective belief in the existence of God as our cultureâ€™s most dangerous attribute. â€œAs a scientist,â€ Dawkins writes, â€œI am hostile to fundamentalist religion because it actively debauches the scientific enterprise. It teaches us not to change our minds, and not to want to know exciting things that are available to be known. It subverts science and saps the intellect.â€<br />
 Religion, he adds, isnâ€™t a reasonable explanation for anything. The embattled biologist dreams of a time when atheism is widespread and God has no role to play in our thoughts or our politics.<br />
 We invited Neale Donald Walsch, author of the bestselling Conversations with God, to respond to Dawkins. While Walsch is no more popular among fundamentalist believers than Dawkins, he draws different conclusions about the meaning of existence in a series of books that have sold millions of copies and been translated into more than 30 languages.<br />
&#8211;The editors </p>
<p>God does not exist. So argues Professor Richard Dawkins in his latest book, The God Delusion. And he claims to have scientific evidence to prove it.<br />
Should any of us care? Yes, because Dawkins is no ordinary person. He is an esteemed scientist from Englandâ€™s Oxford University who has the ear of millions. I believe his argument that there is no God is a sad point of view which brings no benefit whatsoever to the human race. And that is why we should care. If the whole of humanity should ever adopt this point of view, I believe we will have lost our greatest asset, our greatest tool, our greatest advantage as we step more deeply into the 21st century.<br />
However, Dawkins is not entirely wrong. The God of which he speaksâ€”of which most organized religions speak, the God I call Yesterdayâ€™s Godâ€”does not exist. In The God Delusion, Dawkins argues that science and not religion, evolution and not intelligent design, hold the answer to the greatest mystery of the universe: life itself, how it came to be and how it functions, in all its physical forms. And I believe he is right.<br />
It does, however, not explain life in all its non-physical forms. It does not explain miracles, or any other metaphysical experience, of which there is ample evidence in our world. In short, Dawkins has brilliantly told us what God is not, but has told us nothing of what God is. He assumes that since there is ample evidence of what God is not, then God itself does not exist. I donâ€™t think the first position proves the second. Dawkins apparently does. And therein lies his disservice. I would have wished that a mind as brilliant as Dawkinsâ€™ would have gone about analyzing the extraordinary anecdotal evidence, available from any one of several hundred million people on the planet, of the existence of Godâ€¦ or of something, whatever name you want to give it, that even science cannot explain, but that shows up in the day-to-day experience of human beings as very real, very present, very reliable, and very useful.</p>
<p>I myself have had plenty of evidence of the existence of what I call â€œGod.â€ I have seen from my own life that â€œGodâ€ is a power, an energy that can be used with consistent and predictable results. I agree with Dawkins that God is not a celestial superpower, vindictive except with those who love Himâ€”in the way He wants and needs them to love Him. He is not a God that exists to judge our every thought, word, and deed, granting or failing to grant our requests and punishing or rewarding us at the end of our lives based on wholly unknown criteria. Dawkins has pulled all the stops to debunk that particular notion, to which I say bravo.<br />
But I couldnâ€™t disagree more with what Dawkins writes in his first chapter: â€œIf the word â€˜Godâ€™ is not to become completely useless, it should be used in the way people have generally understood it: to denote a supernatural creator that is â€˜appropriate for us to worship.â€™â€  The opposite, I think, is true. Continuing to use the word â€œGodâ€ in the way people have generally understood it (as someone to worship) renders the word completely useless.<br />
I believe in God because I have had a conversation with God, an inner dialogue with an essence and a source that has brought forth information I would never, could never, have dreamt of on my own. That conversation has made it clear to me that God is a processâ€”the process of life itselfâ€”and therefore that the words God and life are interchangeable.<br />
I feel the implications of this are staggering, earth shaking, paradigm-shattering. This is because everyone knows what is true about life. Everyone may not know what is true about God, but everyone knows what is true about life. What is true about life is that nothing stands outside of life. Nothing exists without life. We are the expression of life itself. So is everything around us. Even so-called inanimate objects are found, when examined under a microscope, to consist of particles constantly in motion. These particles and their movements are all part of life. Indeed, everything in the observable universe is life, in some form. The existence of life is confirmed by life itself. Life is self-referencing, self-confirming, self-sustaining, and self-evident. Life is the evidence of the existence of life.<br />
Everyone alive knows these things. But look what happens when the word â€˜Godâ€™ is inserted where the word â€˜lifeâ€™ appears. That produces this result:<br />
Nothing stands outside of God. Nothing exists without God. You are the expression of God itself. So is everything around you. Even so-called inanimate objects are found, when examined under a microscope, to consist of particles constantly in motion. These particles and their movements are all part of God. Indeed, everything in the observable universe is God, in some form. The existence of God is confirmed by God itself. God is self-referencing, self-confirming, self-sustaining, and self-evident. God is the evidence of the existence of God.</p>
<p>These simple thoughts cause all the dogma and stricturese about God to fall apart. Everything crumbles. Not just a few of our beliefs about God, but the very basis upon which we have built so much of human society. It all comes tumbling down. The wonderful thing about this, the exciting thing, is that we get to recreate ourselves anew, and rebuild our human societyâ€”and a huge part of that process is our renewed exploration of the whole idea of God.<br />
Taking such a journey would benefit mankind enormously, for in doing so, we acknowledge something in the universe greater than we are. Once that acknowledgement is made, we can use God to create our most desired reality. Until we acknowledge that life is God, we cannot use this power, not turn to God as an ever present help in times of need. That is to deny our greatest resource.<br />
So, dear Professor Dawkins, if you are saying that Yesterdayâ€™s God is a delusion, you are right. If you are saying that God in any form, known or unknown, taught or untaught, understood or not understood, does not exist, you are wrong. </p>
<p>Neale Donald Walsch is author of many books on spirituality. His series &#8216;Conversations With God&#8217; are the most popular. More information: <a href="http://www.nealedonaldwalsch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nealedonaldwalsch.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rossana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rossana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently had to write a bio for a Sacred Mystery School I am attending.  I started out writing the usual things that people would consider for a bio like name, age, job but it just didn't feel right.  So I opened my heart and called in my God Presence and here's what came through:

"I am the Eternal part of You that chose Me to experience Life in this body, so that I may reflect back to You the deepest knowings of your Divinity and Highest Purpose.

I am that part of you connected by our Heart Flame so that we may jointly remember Who We Really Are. 

I am the mirror whose reflection is your God Presence that will shine for you in your most human hour.

I am the Divine Mother here to bring Hope, Health and Healing to the world in whatever form that strums your heart strings.  I am the Divine Father to bring Light, Strength and Creation to the world to show You the Amazing Power You have within.

I am the lullaby, the open arms and the cradle for you to take comfort and shelter until the sun rises again in your Heart.

I am here for your sustenance, drink all that You can from Me for in doing so, You have given Me life."

I guess somewhere I was trying to convey that we are one.  
I am just part of you and 
you are part of me and 
we are part of all that is.

You can only heal yourself if you accept what you see with love.  
Thanks beautiful sister Joanne for bringing this article to me. Blessings to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had to write a bio for a Sacred Mystery School I am attending.  I started out writing the usual things that people would consider for a bio like name, age, job but it just didn&#8217;t feel right.  So I opened my heart and called in my God Presence and here&#8217;s what came through:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am the Eternal part of You that chose Me to experience Life in this body, so that I may reflect back to You the deepest knowings of your Divinity and Highest Purpose.</p>
<p>I am that part of you connected by our Heart Flame so that we may jointly remember Who We Really Are. </p>
<p>I am the mirror whose reflection is your God Presence that will shine for you in your most human hour.</p>
<p>I am the Divine Mother here to bring Hope, Health and Healing to the world in whatever form that strums your heart strings.  I am the Divine Father to bring Light, Strength and Creation to the world to show You the Amazing Power You have within.</p>
<p>I am the lullaby, the open arms and the cradle for you to take comfort and shelter until the sun rises again in your Heart.</p>
<p>I am here for your sustenance, drink all that You can from Me for in doing so, You have given Me life.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess somewhere I was trying to convey that we are one.<br />
I am just part of you and<br />
you are part of me and<br />
we are part of all that is.</p>
<p>You can only heal yourself if you accept what you see with love.<br />
Thanks beautiful sister Joanne for bringing this article to me. Blessings to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments Julia. I agree with much of what you write. Yes, we all contribute in some way to the state of the planet, just by being here, both for "good" and "bad". I agree that we cannot simply blame the powers-that-be on the state of things: that they too have been born into this "deeper condition" which I believe is civilization. 
If we are to reconnect with what you call the "divine nature in all" it will be by following Nature's laws instead of the ignorant, destructive rules of civilization. It worked for humans for millions of years. Civilization has only been a recent change (10 thousand years). 
I admire your faith in a coming new age (in which I'm guessing you envision the inclusion of humans). I agree there will be a new age: there has to be, this present system is absolutely unsustainable and is destined to crash. Whether humans will survive the crash (along with all the other life forms we share the planet with) is the question.
But then, going by what you said previously that we are not individuals, I guess the same can apply to our species. Even if Earth dies and becomes a dustbowl like Mars the Universe will carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments Julia. I agree with much of what you write. Yes, we all contribute in some way to the state of the planet, just by being here, both for &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;bad&#8221;. I agree that we cannot simply blame the powers-that-be on the state of things: that they too have been born into this &#8220;deeper condition&#8221; which I believe is civilization.<br />
If we are to reconnect with what you call the &#8220;divine nature in all&#8221; it will be by following Nature&#8217;s laws instead of the ignorant, destructive rules of civilization. It worked for humans for millions of years. Civilization has only been a recent change (10 thousand years).<br />
I admire your faith in a coming new age (in which I&#8217;m guessing you envision the inclusion of humans). I agree there will be a new age: there has to be, this present system is absolutely unsustainable and is destined to crash. Whether humans will survive the crash (along with all the other life forms we share the planet with) is the question.<br />
But then, going by what you said previously that we are not individuals, I guess the same can apply to our species. Even if Earth dies and becomes a dustbowl like Mars the Universe will carry on.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Namaste Robyn, It is within the apparent (illusionary) individual that paints how we see things and therefore initiates the comment...."it depends on how you see things". Separation comes in many disguises. All thoughts arise from a collective plane. We think they belong to us. We take ownership of 'our' thoughts and even those apparent individual thoughts of others. We believe politicians, the government and other organisations are responsible for the crime and violence we see among religions, community affairs, environmental wellbeing. We think 'they' are responsible for all wars and all dis-ease on the planet. Not so. All of this is just a deeper condition which is housed within us all. Every human expression is responsible for this collective violence. There is no individual at all. What happens to one, affects the 'many'. This is why deep feelings arise for the planet when she is raped of her giving nature. If this is what is felt, check in on the level of inner generosity. 
If feelings of anger arise towards a government descision, check in on the level of inner anger towards a family member or friend or self. If feelings of resentment, hurt, guilt, any struggle towards what is happening in the external expression of life, look within to what is robbing you of joy and love. Look within to see what is constantly dividing right from wrong, good from bad, perfect from imperfect, the 'should-be' and the 'should-not-be'. All this inner conflict becomes the outer conflict. Conflict leads to suffering - both inner and outer. This is separation. Its begins within. As humans our conditioning is to blame outwardly. This is a collective conditioning that we, as humans residing on this planet, have shared for thousands of years. We may have evolved in sophistication and technology, but the collective thoughts haven't changed a great deal. Having said that, we are now moving towards the possibility of oneness. This new age is calling us back to the divine nature in all. It is time to remember. It is time to awaken dormant causeless joy and love. It is time to be liberated from the clutches of the mind. No more inner comments about how things 'should' be. This change can only happen through Grace, through connecting with the Divine. 
May I suggest you create your own image of God....any image. Perhaps an aspect of nature if that is your calling. Ask your God to dissolve all conflict within or alternatively ask to feel it at its fullest and then you will feel how you also contribute to the state of the planet. En-lighten the load of inner conflict first. Then experience reality in a new light.

Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Namaste Robyn, It is within the apparent (illusionary) individual that paints how we see things and therefore initiates the comment&#8230;.&#8221;it depends on how you see things&#8221;. Separation comes in many disguises. All thoughts arise from a collective plane. We think they belong to us. We take ownership of &#8216;our&#8217; thoughts and even those apparent individual thoughts of others. We believe politicians, the government and other organisations are responsible for the crime and violence we see among religions, community affairs, environmental wellbeing. We think &#8216;they&#8217; are responsible for all wars and all dis-ease on the planet. Not so. All of this is just a deeper condition which is housed within us all. Every human expression is responsible for this collective violence. There is no individual at all. What happens to one, affects the &#8216;many&#8217;. This is why deep feelings arise for the planet when she is raped of her giving nature. If this is what is felt, check in on the level of inner generosity.<br />
If feelings of anger arise towards a government descision, check in on the level of inner anger towards a family member or friend or self. If feelings of resentment, hurt, guilt, any struggle towards what is happening in the external expression of life, look within to what is robbing you of joy and love. Look within to see what is constantly dividing right from wrong, good from bad, perfect from imperfect, the &#8217;should-be&#8217; and the &#8217;should-not-be&#8217;. All this inner conflict becomes the outer conflict. Conflict leads to suffering - both inner and outer. This is separation. Its begins within. As humans our conditioning is to blame outwardly. This is a collective conditioning that we, as humans residing on this planet, have shared for thousands of years. We may have evolved in sophistication and technology, but the collective thoughts haven&#8217;t changed a great deal. Having said that, we are now moving towards the possibility of oneness. This new age is calling us back to the divine nature in all. It is time to remember. It is time to awaken dormant causeless joy and love. It is time to be liberated from the clutches of the mind. No more inner comments about how things &#8217;should&#8217; be. This change can only happen through Grace, through connecting with the Divine.<br />
May I suggest you create your own image of God&#8230;.any image. Perhaps an aspect of nature if that is your calling. Ask your God to dissolve all conflict within or alternatively ask to feel it at its fullest and then you will feel how you also contribute to the state of the planet. En-lighten the load of inner conflict first. Then experience reality in a new light.</p>
<p>Blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess it depends on how you see things Joanne. For me: I see the separation began with agriculture. It was then that we began to separate from Nature. The hollow void we feel that inspires so many to "seek the truth" and find some sense of it all in spirituality/religion is caused by us not living how we were evolved to live. For me, being in nature is a spiritual experience and helps me to feel a part of the whole (is that what you mean by "oneness"?) 

I read your article about meeting Anandagiriji. Enlightenment seems such an illusive state. Understanding the cause of the separation for me makes me feel enlightened but I'm no enlightened being and I have my doubts that there really is such a being.

Although I can see we are "separated" because we have lost sight of our "oneness" with Nature (and I include the universe in this sense) I cannot see that I can be responsible for the state of the planet anymore than a cell in my body is responsible for the state of my health (even though it contributes to my state of health).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess it depends on how you see things Joanne. For me: I see the separation began with agriculture. It was then that we began to separate from Nature. The hollow void we feel that inspires so many to &#8220;seek the truth&#8221; and find some sense of it all in spirituality/religion is caused by us not living how we were evolved to live. For me, being in nature is a spiritual experience and helps me to feel a part of the whole (is that what you mean by &#8220;oneness&#8221;?) </p>
<p>I read your article about meeting Anandagiriji. Enlightenment seems such an illusive state. Understanding the cause of the separation for me makes me feel enlightened but I&#8217;m no enlightened being and I have my doubts that there really is such a being.</p>
<p>Although I can see we are &#8220;separated&#8221; because we have lost sight of our &#8220;oneness&#8221; with Nature (and I include the universe in this sense) I cannot see that I can be responsible for the state of the planet anymore than a cell in my body is responsible for the state of my health (even though it contributes to my state of health).</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Hay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me, Robyn, the grasping is in the Doing. Forgiveness is not something one can think about, only something one can allow. Since our natural state is of oneness, allowing the energy of forgiveness to heal our separation (the cause of all pain and disease) seems a natural remedy. Please read my post about meeting &lt;a href="http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/oneness-conference-anandagirijis-visit" rel="nofollow"&gt;Anandagiriji&lt;/a&gt; to dive deeper into oneness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me, Robyn, the grasping is in the Doing. Forgiveness is not something one can think about, only something one can allow. Since our natural state is of oneness, allowing the energy of forgiveness to heal our separation (the cause of all pain and disease) seems a natural remedy. Please read my post about meeting <a href="http://editor.nourishedmagazine.com.au/articles/oneness-conference-anandagirijis-visit" rel="nofollow">Anandagiriji</a> to dive deeper into oneness.</p>
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