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		<title>By: ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello clive.
question...re; fermenting flour..
will adding boiling water to flour then fermenting stop the pytates etc. from being eradicated?
i ask this in relation to a flat bread 'roti' receipe i was taught, that i wish to NT up...
Also, does coconut flour need fermenting..
thankyou ingrid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello clive.<br />
question&#8230;re; fermenting flour..<br />
will adding boiling water to flour then fermenting stop the pytates etc. from being eradicated?<br />
i ask this in relation to a flat bread &#8216;roti&#8217; receipe i was taught, that i wish to NT up&#8230;<br />
Also, does coconut flour need fermenting..<br />
thankyou ingrid</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn,
In a solution of good water, salt to taste, plus a splash of culture, either a probiotic drink or some yoghurt, soak raw, organic peanuts for 6 hours. Then drain water off, dry the peanuts a little with thick paper towel, then dehydrate in an oven at lowest possible temp, only thin layers in each tray. Chock the oven door slightly open until there's no more surface moisture on the peanuts. Then close oven door and slow-bake at same minimum temp overnite. If you have a dehydrator, all the better.
If the oven trays are too hot to touch, then the temp is too hot to leave overnite, so you'll just have to monitor progress and remove when the peanuts are crisp and crunchy.
Then place peanuts in a slow grinder = fermented peanut butter. Jar, fridge.
Clive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn,<br />
In a solution of good water, salt to taste, plus a splash of culture, either a probiotic drink or some yoghurt, soak raw, organic peanuts for 6 hours. Then drain water off, dry the peanuts a little with thick paper towel, then dehydrate in an oven at lowest possible temp, only thin layers in each tray. Chock the oven door slightly open until there&#8217;s no more surface moisture on the peanuts. Then close oven door and slow-bake at same minimum temp overnite. If you have a dehydrator, all the better.<br />
If the oven trays are too hot to touch, then the temp is too hot to leave overnite, so you&#8217;ll just have to monitor progress and remove when the peanuts are crisp and crunchy.<br />
Then place peanuts in a slow grinder = fermented peanut butter. Jar, fridge.<br />
Clive</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive,
how exactly do you make your fermented peanut butter? thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive,<br />
how exactly do you make your fermented peanut butter? thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SUCCESS…YES !
My muffins are fantastic.  I used two cups flour, not three as I did not want to waste ingredients if it was a know show. I used less liquid in sally’s muffin receipe.  I used ½ kefir and ½ yoghurt.  I used just enough to moisten all ingredients into a ball.
24 hrs later I removed the lid and a DOUBLE TAKE.  The mix had risen and was sort of fluffy.  That kefir really zapped the flour.
I was no longer concerned about it turning out all right.  With the foamy risen flour I knew I had a winner.  From then I just concocted as I went along…ala natural sally.

I decided to do what sally does in other receipes and cream butter and sugar.  I started creaming…the hand mixed died **!!**, and then I realized I was mixing the rapadura (1/2 cup) with the egg and not with the butter.

I cut up butter ( 3 rounded tablsp) into small pieces and bashed it around the egg mix till I had tiny little lumps of butter visible.  I then added 3 tsp maple syrup, 1 tsp vanilla essence…..natural of course, and two tsp orange oil for flavour.  I wanted them orange tasting.   2 x well rounded tsp bicarb-soda (baking soda).

I added egg mix to the flour mix.  Took some effort, but got there.

I put into jumbo muffin pans, then oven for thirty minutes, and boy did they rise.  I was so exited.

When cool I ate one and though soft, light, but funny taste.  I realize now the kefir and different sugars are more robust than conventional muffins.  After third bite I was hooked.

I have been consuming gallons of kefir and yoghurt, so the taste was more in keeping with what I had become used to.  I will use ginger next time, as I think the muffin taste will complement it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUCCESS…YES !<br />
My muffins are fantastic.  I used two cups flour, not three as I did not want to waste ingredients if it was a know show. I used less liquid in sally’s muffin receipe.  I used ½ kefir and ½ yoghurt.  I used just enough to moisten all ingredients into a ball.<br />
24 hrs later I removed the lid and a DOUBLE TAKE.  The mix had risen and was sort of fluffy.  That kefir really zapped the flour.<br />
I was no longer concerned about it turning out all right.  With the foamy risen flour I knew I had a winner.  From then I just concocted as I went along…ala natural sally.</p>
<p>I decided to do what sally does in other receipes and cream butter and sugar.  I started creaming…the hand mixed died **!!**, and then I realized I was mixing the rapadura (1/2 cup) with the egg and not with the butter.</p>
<p>I cut up butter ( 3 rounded tablsp) into small pieces and bashed it around the egg mix till I had tiny little lumps of butter visible.  I then added 3 tsp maple syrup, 1 tsp vanilla essence…..natural of course, and two tsp orange oil for flavour.  I wanted them orange tasting.   2 x well rounded tsp bicarb-soda (baking soda).</p>
<p>I added egg mix to the flour mix.  Took some effort, but got there.</p>
<p>I put into jumbo muffin pans, then oven for thirty minutes, and boy did they rise.  I was so exited.</p>
<p>When cool I ate one and though soft, light, but funny taste.  I realize now the kefir and different sugars are more robust than conventional muffins.  After third bite I was hooked.</p>
<p>I have been consuming gallons of kefir and yoghurt, so the taste was more in keeping with what I had become used to.  I will use ginger next time, as I think the muffin taste will complement it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna May</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ingrid -  Well, I made a bunch of the  muffins from the recipe  that you had no luck with.  I  followed  S. Fallon's instructions to the letter, except that they certainly did not need to be baked for an hour - way, way too long.  They were done in about 35 minutes.  (I think I hate a hot oven; it needs to be calibrated.)  I used yogurt to soak the flour in. 

In any case, they were a success!  They rose nicely, over the top.  I did not expect this from a "natural" recipe.  It seems that the combination of plenty of yogurt + the baking soda did the trick.  They combine chemically  and have the same effect as baking powder, which I guess Fallon &#38; other natural cooks wish to avoid.

Even tho I used 100% whole wheat flour (which according to my understanding Clive does not approve of), I am surprised &#38; pleased to report that the muffins were, all in all, quite nice and not heavy or cardboardy - tho not super-light either like the ones you buy.    I did let the yogurt/flour mixture sit for 24 hours.   Next time I will try spelt flour.  I also will experiment with whole wheat flour with the bigger pcs. of bran sifted off.  

We have to try and figure out where your problem occurred. 

One thing:  I would make them a bit sweeter for those with no serious health challenges.   I would use a bit of some kind of solid, granular SUGAR, yes, sugar, maybe your Rapadura or Succanat or some other kind of natural sugar - along with the minimal amount of maple syrup that Ms. Fallon prescribes.   I've heard of something called "date sugar" but I don't know what it is.  Too, I wonder if they make granular sugar out of agave.  

However, for people not craving a sweet muffin, still, these are  good.  I will not feed them to the chooks - too expensive to make and of course  no need.   Of course, like all muffins, they aren't too good after a few days.  Muffins were meant to be eaten right NOW.  Thank you, Ms. Fallon for a good recipe, and to you, Ingrid, for sending it to me.

And just keep trying, if you can afford to.  - Anna May</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ingrid -  Well, I made a bunch of the  muffins from the recipe  that you had no luck with.  I  followed  S. Fallon&#8217;s instructions to the letter, except that they certainly did not need to be baked for an hour - way, way too long.  They were done in about 35 minutes.  (I think I hate a hot oven; it needs to be calibrated.)  I used yogurt to soak the flour in. </p>
<p>In any case, they were a success!  They rose nicely, over the top.  I did not expect this from a &#8220;natural&#8221; recipe.  It seems that the combination of plenty of yogurt + the baking soda did the trick.  They combine chemically  and have the same effect as baking powder, which I guess Fallon &amp; other natural cooks wish to avoid.</p>
<p>Even tho I used 100% whole wheat flour (which according to my understanding Clive does not approve of), I am surprised &amp; pleased to report that the muffins were, all in all, quite nice and not heavy or cardboardy - tho not super-light either like the ones you buy.    I did let the yogurt/flour mixture sit for 24 hours.   Next time I will try spelt flour.  I also will experiment with whole wheat flour with the bigger pcs. of bran sifted off.  </p>
<p>We have to try and figure out where your problem occurred. </p>
<p>One thing:  I would make them a bit sweeter for those with no serious health challenges.   I would use a bit of some kind of solid, granular SUGAR, yes, sugar, maybe your Rapadura or Succanat or some other kind of natural sugar - along with the minimal amount of maple syrup that Ms. Fallon prescribes.   I&#8217;ve heard of something called &#8220;date sugar&#8221; but I don&#8217;t know what it is.  Too, I wonder if they make granular sugar out of agave.  </p>
<p>However, for people not craving a sweet muffin, still, these are  good.  I will not feed them to the chooks - too expensive to make and of course  no need.   Of course, like all muffins, they aren&#8217;t too good after a few days.  Muffins were meant to be eaten right NOW.  Thank you, Ms. Fallon for a good recipe, and to you, Ingrid, for sending it to me.</p>
<p>And just keep trying, if you can afford to.  - Anna May</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 04:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear ones,
And just now a phone call from Goanna Bakery, also giving testimony that their ferment times are similar to SOL. Again, as with SOL, I got my published info from their head baker TWICE, and again it is proven wrong.
I apologize unreservedly to Goanna for the error, albeit based upon info from their own staff.
Please be assured that both SOL and Goanna ARE indeed doing the right thing by long ferment times, and no-one is more pleased about that than myself.
Clive Lawler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear ones,<br />
And just now a phone call from Goanna Bakery, also giving testimony that their ferment times are similar to SOL. Again, as with SOL, I got my published info from their head baker TWICE, and again it is proven wrong.<br />
I apologize unreservedly to Goanna for the error, albeit based upon info from their own staff.<br />
Please be assured that both SOL and Goanna ARE indeed doing the right thing by long ferment times, and no-one is more pleased about that than myself.<br />
Clive Lawler</p>
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		<title>By: The Nourisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Nourisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Clive for the clear up and thanks heaps to Terry Dempsey and the &lt;a href="http://www.solbreads.com.au/about/about.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sol Breads&lt;/a&gt; crew who do such a great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Clive for the clear up and thanks heaps to Terry Dempsey and the <a href="http://www.solbreads.com.au/about/about.shtml" rel="nofollow">Sol Breads</a> crew who do such a great job.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nourished Readers,
I wish to make a significant correction to my Bread Dread article, and ask that you please spread the info around.
When I wrote this chapter, over 3 years ago, I twice spoke to the head baker at SOL Bakery, to enquire as to the length of their fermentation process. His info shocked me at the time, which is why I double-checked.
Now, a totally different scenario has come to light.
Just why that baker gave me the wrong info originally I'll never know. Perhaps he was protecting the recipe.
However, Terry Dempsey, the owner of SOL, has just called me to inform me that SOL does in fact leave their doughs sit for 12-14 hours in the first stage, then it is mixed again, via a traditional European method, then sits for another 2-3 hours, before it is cut into portions, rested again for 2 hours, before being hand-moulded and set another hour before baking. 
So, SOL bread certainly meeets all the requirements, and MUCH MORE, of the long-fermented standards which I discuss. And their sourdough leaven culture is over 12 years old!
Please be assured that SOL breads are most definitely excellent.
I apologize to SOL for any problems caused them. 
If I had have had this info originally, it would never have been printed.
Clive Lawler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nourished Readers,<br />
I wish to make a significant correction to my Bread Dread article, and ask that you please spread the info around.<br />
When I wrote this chapter, over 3 years ago, I twice spoke to the head baker at SOL Bakery, to enquire as to the length of their fermentation process. His info shocked me at the time, which is why I double-checked.<br />
Now, a totally different scenario has come to light.<br />
Just why that baker gave me the wrong info originally I&#8217;ll never know. Perhaps he was protecting the recipe.<br />
However, Terry Dempsey, the owner of SOL, has just called me to inform me that SOL does in fact leave their doughs sit for 12-14 hours in the first stage, then it is mixed again, via a traditional European method, then sits for another 2-3 hours, before it is cut into portions, rested again for 2 hours, before being hand-moulded and set another hour before baking.<br />
So, SOL bread certainly meeets all the requirements, and MUCH MORE, of the long-fermented standards which I discuss. And their sourdough leaven culture is over 12 years old!<br />
Please be assured that SOL breads are most definitely excellent.<br />
I apologize to SOL for any problems caused them.<br />
If I had have had this info originally, it would never have been printed.<br />
Clive Lawler</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Snider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Snider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too would love to try your recipe. Would you add me to your (most likely) growing list of those requesting it?  I, too, am financially challenged at the moment, but hope to purchase your book someday.  I also have a couple of questions.  1.  I have sieved my very finely home-milled wheat flour, and this took out some bran, but I can see there is still quite a bit of it left in the flour.  Is this okay, or do I need to try to find a finer sieve?  2.  What is your take on whole grains, properly soaked, being consumed by diabetics?  I am trying to  control mine with my diet, without any insulin or meds, but am constantly confused by conflicting opinions as to whether the grains/beans are beneficial for me.  I am realizing you may not even have a take on this, depending on how much research you have done in this area, but thank you anyway for whatever advice you can give here.  I have only just today discovered your site, after all I've read about wholemeal foods, and have to say this sure is a most different yet interesting angle!  Really would love to try your bread!  Thanks again, Naomi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too would love to try your recipe. Would you add me to your (most likely) growing list of those requesting it?  I, too, am financially challenged at the moment, but hope to purchase your book someday.  I also have a couple of questions.  1.  I have sieved my very finely home-milled wheat flour, and this took out some bran, but I can see there is still quite a bit of it left in the flour.  Is this okay, or do I need to try to find a finer sieve?  2.  What is your take on whole grains, properly soaked, being consumed by diabetics?  I am trying to  control mine with my diet, without any insulin or meds, but am constantly confused by conflicting opinions as to whether the grains/beans are beneficial for me.  I am realizing you may not even have a take on this, depending on how much research you have done in this area, but thank you anyway for whatever advice you can give here.  I have only just today discovered your site, after all I&#8217;ve read about wholemeal foods, and have to say this sure is a most different yet interesting angle!  Really would love to try your bread!  Thanks again, Naomi</p>
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		<title>By: Anna May</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ingrid, my email address is miso5000@hotmail.com and that would be very nice indeed if you would send me that muffin recipe so I could see what might have gone wrong!  - Anna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ingrid, my email address is <a href="mailto:miso5000@hotmail.com">miso5000@hotmail.com</a> and that would be very nice indeed if you would send me that muffin recipe so I could see what might have gone wrong!  - Anna.</p>
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